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"There is no proof. There are no authorities whatever. No President, Academy, Court of Law, Congress or Senate on this earth has the knowledge or power to decide what will be the knowledge of tomorrow. There is no use in trying to prove something that is unknown to somebody who is ignorant of the unknown, or fearful of its threatening power...Let those who are ignorant of the ways of learning stand aside, while those who know what learning is, blaze the trail into the unknown." - Wilhelm Reich, M.D., from Contact with Space, xxii., 1957.

Wilhelm Reich was Austrian-born and educated. He was a physician-scientist who held rank with the likes of Freud. In fact he was one of Freud's most promising students and co-workers who led the psychoanalytic training seminars in Vienna. Much of Reich's early writings are topically centered on psychoanalysis and medical psychiatry, with his own emphasis on the sex-economic problems of human instinctual energy (DeMeo, 1975). There are two books on this phase of his work, in them are contained translations of his European journal articles, these are:

- EARLY WRITINGS (1920-1935) - SEX-POL ESSAYS (1929-1934)

During this phase Reich was using Freud's discoveries of infantile sexuality, the pleasure principle, and the sexual etiology of neurosis as a foundation for his work with mental patients, which relied greatly upon these considerations (DeMeo, 1975). Reich and Freud eventually parted company. This was due to irreconcilable differences both in theory and practice. Reich's work retains in it the early discoveries of Freud, however, with important extensions into the biophysical sphere. Two books which document Reich's work during this period of division from Freudian psychoanalysis are:

- DISCOVERY OF THE ORGONE, VOL. 1: FUNCTION OF THE ORGASM
- THE IMPULSIVE CHARACTER AND OTHER WRITINGS (DeMeo, 1975)

During the twenties Reich developed "character analysis," a highly successful and widely regarded therapeutic technique. He eventually turned away from individual psychotherapy after he began to realize the fact that neurosis constantly regenerated itself within the masses of people living in so-called "civilized" societies. One of his books, The Mass Psychology of Fascism, came out of his work in "practical sociology," that is, the radical labor movement of the late 1920s and early 1930s. He felt then that radical politics would bring about a social structure in which repressive authoritarianism and compulsive morality would be replaced by self-regulatory freedom and natural morality; and that this in turn would make it possible for people to fulfill their basic instinctual needs (Greenfield, 1974).

At first he was drawn to the soviet model of socialism, but after a visit to Russia in 1928, he rejected Communist party politics as an authoritarian and paternalistic social system. Throughout his writings during this period, Reich insisted that the individual character structure of the average citizen created fertile ground for the rise of German Nazism. "It creates in the average person a polical helplessness and a lack of independence, the desire and the need to be led; it does this by means of authoritarian education and sexual suppression." - Wilhelm Reich, M.D., from Character and Society, Journal of Orgonomy, V. 8, #2. Reich subsequently concluded that a free and rational social order could not be brought about through politics because the greatest obstacle to freedom was not the social order but the unfree people themselves, in whose armored character structures the values, the attitudes, and taboos of the repressive social order were anchored. Because of this, he concluded further that despite political efforts and ideological commitments to freedom, people would, in the end, perpetuate the same old repressive order regardless of the social and economic changes they might succeed in making (Greenfield, 1974).

Around 1934 Reich fled to Scandinavia after having been expelled from his home in Vienna, and later from there to the United States. This occurred during the Nazi coup in Austria. One of the main reasons for this was the fact that he had been placed on Hitler's and Stalin's death lists. His writings were condemned to flames in both Germany and Russia (DeMeo, 1989).

The Bion Experiments

In Norway, Reich began to test the air-germ theory of illness. He cultured hundreds of samples taken from an everyday environment (air, vacuum cleaner dust, dirt on hands). He found no protozoa, germs, viruses, bacteria, nor any living motile forms living in the air. His work in free counseling clinics had led him to suspect there was a strong connection between emotional well-being, as defined by orgastic potency, and physical, somatic health problems. Next he studied decaying organic matter; he filmed the process of moss and grass blades as they disintegrated and broke down into small blue-green vesicles. Reich observed that a number of materials, both organic and inorganic, would, when allowed to disintegrate and swell in a sterile nutrient solution, form the tiny blue-green vesicles (DeMeo, 1989). These mobile forms he called bions. He found that the bions in turn formed amoeba and protozoa, and that life develops directly from decaying matter.

In examining the bions Reich used very high magnifications, around 3500 to 4500 power, but not the usual microbiological stains or procedures which kill the life in the specimen. These facts made Reich's preparations very different from those of the average microbiologist, who to this day still kill and stain their preparations with a religious fervor, and see little value in observing living microbes using a light microscope above 1000 power. Standard electron images, for example, can not be made of living specimens (DeMeo, 1989).

While studying a special bion preparation, made from pulverized beach sand heated into incandescence and immersed into a sterile nutrient broth, he came upon a powerful radiant energy phenomena. Reich and other lab workers developed conjunctivitis if they observed the preparations too long. Working for extended hours in the laboratory, Reich developed a dark tan through his clothing, in the middle of winter (DeMeo, 1989). He also noticed that his white labcoat, as well as the walls of his laboratory, glowed blue in the dark. Frightened that he had somehow exposed himself to some form of radiation, he contacted Dr. Bon, a classical physicist, who assured Reich there was no possibility of radiation. This may have been true regarding classically known forms of radiation, but it was during these microscopic observations of the bions that Reich first discovered the orgone radiation, and later, the principle of the orgone energy accumulator (DeMeo, 1989).

Like his findings on human behavior, Reich's bion experiments are far too intricate and important to be fully reviewed here, but it can be noted that they have been widely replicated by various scientists around the world. Classical microbiology of today has made confirming discoveries of very similar small vesicles, though Reich's priority has yet to be acknowledged (DeMeo, 1989). These micro-biological experiments, which were related to the dual problems of biogenesis and human cancer were published, in German, in a book titled Die Bione. A recent English translation of this work is titled:

- THE BION EXPERIMENTS (DeMeo, 1975) Orgone Energy Accumulation

"The orgone accumulator, dismissed by know-nothings as a "quack" appliance, turns out to be a potent therapeutic device, capable of beneficially stimulating the physiology of plants, animals, and people." - James DeMeo, Ph.D., Brochure from the Orgone Biophysical Research Lab.

The bions were radiating an intense form of bioenergy. The radiation imparted a magnetic charge to nearby iron or steel implements, and a static charge to nearby insulators, such as rubber gloves. Film stored in nearby metal laboratory cabinets spontaneously fogged. Reich noted that whatever this bion radiation was, it was rapidly attracted to metals, but just as rapidly reflected away, or dissipated into the surrounding air. Organic materials, however, absorbed this radiation and held onto it. It was also noted that the air in rooms containing the special bion cultures would feel "heavy" or charged. When observed at night, in full darkness, the air would visibly scintillate and glow with a pulsing energy (DeMeo, 1989). Reich had learned to accumulate this bioenergy, which he had termed orgone- to preserve its identification with living organisms, after trying a number of experiments that might have linked orgone radiation (OR) with electromagnetism (Faraday cages, etc.). Reich found that OR tended to concentrate in metal-lined boxes wrapped in alternating layers of metallic and organic materials. From that point on these structures were to be referred to as orgone energy accumulators.

In 1940, Reich discovered that OR accumulators constructed in such a manner maintain a consistent temperature differential between the atmosphere inside the accumulator (TO) and the surrounding atmosphere (T). This finding was in direct conflict with the Second Law of Thermodynamics ("The Law of Entropy"). This experiment, "TO minus T" can be replicated readily by anyone willing to try, and is described fully in The Cancer Biopathy, by Wilhelm Reich, Farrar, Straus, Giroux 1973.

The Cancer Biopathy, first published in 1948 in English, contains the most critical information on the use of the orgone accumulator in the fight against cancer, radiation sickness, and other diseases of degenerative organismic functioning. The orgone accumulator was found to have specific life-positive effects upon plants, animals, and people exposed to the concentrated life force inside it. Reich and his co-workers published a host of research articles on the orgone energy accumulator, its unusual physical properties, and its life-positive biomedical effects. These effects have been repeatedly confirmed, and a research tradition in orgone biophysics continues to this day (DeMeo, 1989).

The Cloudbusting Device

Besides the orgone energy accumulator there exists another device called a "cloudbuster". This device is able to break droughts and bring rain to deserts. The cloudbuster reduced to its simplist form, consists of a parallel array of hollow tubes, about 18 feet long, extending up from a clean, running water source. The tube array is aimed at different areas of the sky, or to distant locations, for different purposes. The cloudbuster is a passive device, working to trigger movements of the atmosphere by virtue of the pre-existing energetic properties of the atmosphere itself. No chemical innoculants are used, as with cloudseeding; neither is electrical or electromagnetic energy actively provided to the machine, other than 12 volt D.C. to run relays and servo motors for aiming the heavy array of metal tubes (DeMeo, 1975).

Most of the individuals who have worked with the cloudbuster have done so in a quiet manner and published in journals unknown to meteorologists. None were connected with the university system or were supported by public funds in their work (DeMeo, 1975). Unjustified repression of Reich's ideas by the scientific establishment was substantial (Greenfield 1974; Wolfe 1948).

The Pure Food and Drug Administration, acting on a scanty amount of hastily set-up and poorly controlled experiments, obtained an injunction against the continuation of Reich's research work and against distribution and sale of any book or journal bearing the word "orgone". Reich's research laboratory in Rangeley, Maine, was invaded by agents of the F.D.A., who put his scientific instruments to the axe; books and journals were carried off to U.S. incinerators between the years 1956-1962. Reich was later found to be in technical violation of the injunction and was sentenced to two years in Lewisberg Federal Penitentiary. He died two weeks prior to his release date (DeMeo, 1975). Many researchers have since corroborated Reich's work, one of which is James DeMeo, Ph.D.

DeMeo has done much research and experimentation into the many different areas of Orgonomy and Orgone Biophysics. He has been researching the topic of the life energy, and specifically the works of Dr. Wilhelm Reich for the last 20 years. His works include over 20 published articles and compendiums, two academic theses which subjected Reich's ideas to rigorous testing, and an extensive Bibliography on Orgone Biophysics. DeMeo formally studied the Earth, atmospheric, and environmental sciences at Florida International University, and the University of Kansas, where he earned his Ph.D. He has served on the Faculty of Geography at Illinois State University, and the University of Miami. He founded the Orgone Biophysical Research Laboratory in 1978, and is editor of the journal Pulse of the Planet. What follows is an interview with him which helps us learn more about his own work and experiences. We also learn about the orgone energy and its discoverer Wilhelm Reich.

Interview with DeMeo

James DeMeo, Ph.D., was interviewed over the telephone in connection with writing this paper. This took place on March 25th, 1992. Permission was granted to tape record this conversation:

Q: How did you become involved in researches concerning the work of Dr. Wilhelm Reich?
I was about your age as a student and read his book Selected Writings. I was very much impressed with what he wrote and began to reproduce some of his experiments.

Q: What is the correct definition of orgone energy?
DeMeo: It's a spontaneously pulsatile energy continuum that has certain properties which have been determined experimentally. The introductory chapters in my accumulator handbook give a pretty good overview of defining orgone energy, what it is, how it's objectified and so on. The definition of "what it is" is based partly upon subjective perception but also partly upon what has been experimentally tested and determined from various experiments.

Q: What is the orgone energy continuum?
DeMeo: It's like a sea of energy...somewhat similar to the older idea of "aether" but having a biological characteristic that's very powerful.

Q: What is the difference between orgonomy and orgone biophysics?
DeMeo: Orgonomy is the name for the science of the study of orgone energy functions in nature and orgone biophysics is an expression of the biophysical aspects of orgone energy, it's just a different terminology.

Q: How can further research and experimentation into these fields benefit our planet?
DeMeo: Reich's writings are quite explicit, there's a multi-disciplinary influence or significance to Reich's findings, much in the way of the early discoveries of Copernicus or Pasteur which had a tremendous significance for the sciences.

Juan: Except for that a mass majority of people are unfamiliar with his work.

DeMeo: Well, in the United States that's true, you get outside of the United States in Europe and Reich is much better known. The significance is with our understanding of disease processes, with the origins of violence, sexual violence and international violence, his findings on the mass psychology of fascism, on the origins of microbes, his bion experiments...

Juan: That's where orgone energy evolved from?
DeMeo: That's where he discovered the orgone energy, in the process of the bion experiments...from there the orgone accumulator which has a significant medical effect, his cloudbusting work which is a potent way to end droughts and green deserts.

Q: Have you encountered any hostility towards your work and what are some of the possible explanations for this?
DeMeo: There's a tremendous hostility and prejudice against the work of Reich. You touch into an issue that you could write a paper on all by itself. Academic freedom is dead in the United States. There are numerous scholars who are being fired from jobs, there are grant monies being illegally steered away from certain researchers because their findings are too supportive of Reich and similar kinds of things. The academic and research institutions in the United States are a cesspool of illegal and unethical actions that are constantly going on. It's a disgusting situation in the United States as far as I'm concerned. I have lists of young people, in graduate school, who have an interest in this subject- they don't dare mention their interest because they're afraid they'll be fired from their teaching post or that there will be undue prejudice against their graduate programs.

Q: Why is that?
DeMeo: Well, I think it's just hate of new ideas, in part, and also if Reich is correct, there are an awful lot of people who are incorrect or wrong. You're a young person- What kind of reaction do you get from the father of your girlfriend when it's known that you spend the night with her? He wants to kill you, maybe? This is an irrational emotional reaction, and you get the same kind of emotional reaction from scientists when somebody deals with sexual issues in the sciences or comes up with some discovery in the sciences that opposes what they believe is true. It's the same kind of emotional reaction at work in both cases.

Q: In the areas of weather modification is there a lot of money still being spent on cloudseeding.
DeMeo: It's a multi-million dollar enterprise; the CIA has involvement in cloudseeding, and they're denying any long distance effects from cloudseeding. The implications of Dr. Reich's work is that cloudseeding probably has long distance effects, and certainly the cloudbuster is proof positive that there is an energy continuum in the atmosphere which underlies weather and so the textbooks of meteorology are incomplete...the influence of his work in medicine and biology makes those textbooks incomplete...and you can go to the textbooks of psychology and say the same thing. There is a cross-disciplinary challenge from the findings of Reich that upset a lot of people, particularly powerful people who are making out like bandits with government money for keeping things the way they are.

Q: Have any federal or local governmental agencies tried to interfere with your work?
DeMeo: There has been illegal and fraudulent actions against my work by some government agencies in the way of obstructing and blockading the progress of my work.

Q: Can an individual be fined for using a cloudbuster?
DeMeo: No, they consider it to be insanity. You can hardly be fined for dealing with something they consider to be insanity.

Q: They don't think it works?
DeMeo: Well, they're just not interested in investigating the subject or evaluating the research data.

Q: What governmental agency is that?
DeMeo: NOAA.

Q: What does that stand for?
DeMeo: That's the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration.

Q: Do you have to register with them if you're using a cloudbuster?
DeMeo: No.

Q: But they document stuff?
DeMeo: No, it's just that in the past I used to send them research data in the expectation that they would actually look at at...well it's a long story and I really don't care to go into it but all I can tell you is that for the same reason that the Japanese make better automobiles because they were not as narrow minded as Lee Ioacocca and his buddies so that the Japanese in turn began to try new things and so on...the scientists in America are narrow minded and they don't want to look at new ideas and so there's a reverse brain drain of people with unorthodox but viable ideas and technology going over seas.

Q: The question of credentials or the validity regarding self-published works and research which is not widely acknowledged have come up in my endeavors to examine Reich's work- I myself have not questioned this but others have. What are your ideas on this subject?
DeMeo: Research data is valid whether it is published in a peer review journal or privately. This is a dodge; Dr. Reich had his books burned by a bunch of jealous academics and government bureaucrats, they didn't evaluate his work then, they never did, and a lot of other people have... the research findings are being published all around the world and like I say the business of academic freedom in the United States is totally dead...I mean I'm long past being nice about trying to cover that fact up...this is what the academic people have tried to do for years is to present a facade of scholarly objectivity and willingness to look at ideas when in truth the treatment of new ideas and new unorthodox research findings by the academic establishment, is conniving, stab in the back, smears, hate mail, death threats, and doing everything you can to stomp the other guy into the dirt whether it's legal or illegal you do it all under the covers while at the same time portraying yourself to the public eye as being a scholar who is objective and who is rational...now that's the reality of the situation, that's why I call it a cesspool...and it's a bunch of stinking shit what's going on in the U.S. in this respect and there's a lot of scholars like myself who have never been given except a very small amount of opening to do their research and consequently decided to publish in other formats and that's what Reich did, that's what I did, certainly you have to realize with my work that I am not some scholar who just merely comes up with a new idea and tries to present it...I am an orthodox trained scholar with a earned Ph.D. from a highly reputable institution in the United States, the University of Kansas, and have all the traditional credentials that one could want, I have taught for ten years in major United States universities and published widely on other issues besides Reich and Orgonomy. I have a lot of publications in the field of renewable energy and environmental issues...so my credentials, my research background is precisely what one would want for a scholar who would be examining Reich, and therefore one to make an independent assessment of his work. What my work did was to verify Reich, so I am the independent scholar who verified and corroborated the original findings of Dr. Reich...so you see usually when that happens when a scholar like Reich steps forward and says I' ve made an unusual set of discoveries and here they are...the usual thing is for somebody within the academic establishment to come along and say o.k. I will evaluate these works from a critical point of view and see what comes up either to verify them or to refute them. That's what I did, I verified Reich's work and for scholars now, people who are pretending to be scholars, to stand up and say well DeMeo is making assertions and then to dismiss the work without ever examining it, well this is unethical, this is unethical, it's unfair and it's unscholarly. There's a responsibility for people to examine work not to come up with these kinds of irrational spurious criticisms and to dismiss it out of hand. You have to realize now that Reich's work has been around since the 1940's and there's been a lot of people besides myself who have replicated his findings, and so at what point does it constitute proof you see...Does one have to be a member of the National Academy of Sciences...My work was done when I was a student at the University of Kansas, later I was a professor at Illinois State University, I did this work, I circulated it- both published and unpublished form...I worked with government agencies and did everything in the way that it's supposed to be done and the net result was unethical actions and smear attacks, and a lot of things that if it were to become public would have resulted in the presidents of several universities and the heads of at least one or two major cabinet level government organizations being fired from their jobs because of the unethical dirty tricks and cover-ups that they were doing. Reich's work constitutes not only a challenge to the sciences with respect to these major discoveries but the unethical attacks that have been going on, including the book burning, constitutes a scandal of the most enormous proportions, certainly a much greater scandal than the Scopes Monkey Trial. Do you know about the Scopes monkey trial???

Q: No.

DeMeo: When evolution was first being taught in the public schools there was a teacher by the name of Scopes who started to teach Darwinian evolution in public high schools. He was fired from his job, and there was a lawsuit about this. It made international press and was considered to be such a scandal that Darwin couldn't be taught in public schools because essentially they taught the creation myth according to the bible. This unethical abuse of Dr. Reich, the fraud that was perpetrated by a government agency with the help of many scientists, of deliberate fraud against Dr. Reich perpetrated upon him by the courts and this government bureaucracy resulted in the burning of his books, which is a total violation of our constitution, and that alone should be reason for scholars to take note that Reich's work ought to be looked at more directly. I assume that the statement you made to me was somebody saying something to you, I have to assume that when somebody says something like that they are either taking LSD or they just are so full of hate for any new idea that they themselves would be quite willing to commit fraud and unethical attacks. I mean if I was a Jew I would expect a Nazi to have that kind of attitude towards me. I am a scientist and when I see the same emotional hate propelling a scientist to make a decision about somebody else's work I am forced to declare that it's not science, it's something else but it certainly isn't scholarly objectivity or science when they make that kind of a statement, it's a zealous passion to protect what they believe against an idea that they have never seriously examined personally themselves.

Q: And that's why they're irrational about it...
DeMeo: When you are a scientist before you make a comment on the work of somebody else, by definition you must examine it...you can't just sit back and be dismissing. That's like the pope saying he's infallible and you know get out of my church because I don't want to hear your statements that Mary might have gotten pregnant through some other way than God coming down in a dream. That's what I say...the fact that you could have people like that in the university system, dominating, is evidence, prima fascia evidence that academic freedom is dead, and you can quote me on that.

Q: Was Reich looking at things in more of global perspective in his writings?
DeMeo: Well it turned out that his findings had global significance, cross disciplinary global significance, but I don't think he started out with that as a starting point. I think he was simply a hard working scholar and scientist who made a number of fantastic discoveries.

Q: Somebody was trying to use the argument on me that I was focussing too much on your work, on the material that you have...trying to invalidate that you have a Ph.D...trying to say that it's no big deal...
DeMeo: Well I'm the first academic scholar in the United States to get a Ph.D. where the study of Reich was the central focus, and I have replicated some of Reich's more controversial experiments. I'm not alone in that respect. I have a booklet called the Bibliography on Orgone Biophysics which I put together which lists about 400 different papers by approximately 100 different researchers, most of which have either the Ph.D. or the M.D. degree. Certainly I'm not alone in that respect, if you've read, I don't know if you have copies of Pulse of the Planet our journal but you probably received the advertising flyer and you can see the titles of the papers there with the names and degrees that the people have and most of them are M.D.'s or Ph.D .'s and some of them are connected with universities and some not...so it's true that maybe there's some element of truth that you don't want to just focus on me but it turns out that I'm one of the more active people in this research and I edit a journal that brings together a lot of interesting work on the subject by other trained scholars...but I'm not alone...and this bibliography I put together...maybe you don't have it so you couldn't get it within the time you need to finish your paper but you can make mention of it...and that there are these 400 different papers published in different journals from approximately 1935 to 1986 and they are all focussed on the biophysical aspects of Reich, not his psychological sex-economic writings but the biophysical stuff, I'm talking about the orgone energy, the accumulator, and so on, these are either experimental papers or field observations corroborating and extending Reich's findings...and like I say there's a hundred different authors most of whom have Ph.D's or M.D. degrees, and these are not Ph.D degrees from diploma mills and half baked programs...we're talking about people who graduated from Harvard, Rutger's, University of Kansas, Berkeley, you know you name it, from top notch institutions...

Q: What is the significance of Deadly Orgone Energy or DOR???
DeMeo: This is just a term that Reich had for the condition of the energetic continuum when it develops an immobilized, stagnant condition. The orgone energy normally moves in pulses and then periodically if it is being exposed to electromagnetic fields and nuclear radiation the energy itself can go dead.

Q: What was...someone was trying to tell me that Reich discovered pollution or something, early remnants of smog or something???
DeMeo: Reich did some writings in Orgone Energy Bulletin in the 1950's that established his present priority on a couple of issues dealing with atmospheric science, number one: Reich was the first scholar to articulate the idea that hazy stagnant atmosphere was not only characteristic of drought and desert but that the haze in the atmosphere was a major factor in the blocking of rainfall. It is only in more recent years that you find researchers in deserts talking about the haze of the desert atmosphere being a factor in the dynamics of clouds and rainfall, and it was maybe ten years after Reich that these classical atmosphere people had said that, similarly Reich described a process of the dying of trees and the stagnation of the atmosphere in Maine with measured increases in atmospheric ozone and acid ions in the atmosphere at work under conditions where stone surfaces would turn blackish in color, and if you know anything about the current crisis of forest death these are specifically the kinds of parameters that you see being talked about with trees dying, blackish deposits on trees and rock surfaces, acid ions, and ozone in the atmosphere and the atmosphere being hazy, stagnant. It really turns out that Reich did those writings in the middle 1950's and the earliest that you find the classical scholars describing what they first called acid rain and then later called forest death was not until the mid 1960's, so again Reich had priority there. It's a matter of what is published, what's the publication date, what was said and observed and who said it first. Reich has a number of priorities like that.

Q: He just used different terms for it?
DeMeo: He didn't use the term acid rain...he used the term energetic stagnation of the atmosphere. He was also one of the first people to identify low level nuclear radiation as having a significant biological effect. The power of any theory to predict and it's ability to explain facts is a test of its accuracy...that's all the value that theories have- how they allow you to predict or to explain things...and on that basis Reich's theory allows us to explain quite a lot- he predicted quite a lot and he did so much earlier than anybody in the classical scientific community who had access to the same sets of facts but who were looking at them in a way different from Reich. The difference, with Reich, is that there are some things we can do about these situations like with the cloudbuster...which the classical scientific community doesn't have because the classical theory is not as potent or as powerful as Reich's work...It's a matter of again what can you do with a theory, with the classical theory you can only go so far and you can't do anything with respect to some of these major problems, but with the theory of Reich and Orgonomy it is possible.

Q: What about nuclear energy, has it been proven that it messes with the atmosphere?
DeMeo: Well of course there's a whole literature on the deadly effects from nuclear energy.

Q: With the proliferation of nuclear power, i.e. reactors, irradiation of food, etc...what do you foresee for the planet if it continues along this path... what would you like to see happen???
DeMeo: I think it's a deadly path... Just yesterday there was a nuclear plant in the Soviet Union go and break down again...you probably read about that in your newspaper, it's a three mile island type disaster, it's not as bad as Chernobyl but it's another example of nuclear power plants fucking up and they're killing people and it's all being covered up. Again it's the scientific establishment sitting back on their ass, making tons of money to sit back on their ass and not say anything by the people who are making even more money then they are...like I say these academic fools sitting in the regulatory agencies for the government are bought off. There's an incredible amount of prostitution in the sciences, buying of opinions and so on...and the situation is roughly comparable to the Catholic Church at the time of Martin Luther...I don't know how much history you've studied but Martin Luther was a country preacher who came to Rome and was shocked when he found that the bishops of Rome were making money by running houses of prostitution, and buying and selling penances, if somebody murdered somebody you could pay off a priest and say penances and then they would certify that you had paid your penalty to God and you could go out and murder again...That's the way the scientific institutes are today, it's buying and selling of opinions, and if somebody steps out of line from the money making process they do their best to destroy them.

Q: What about the irradiation of food?
DeMeo: It's very deadly. I don't think it's healthy. I think it destroys the life-energy property of food. I think that there's enough classical evidence of radiolitic products being created in the irradiated food that is unhealthy that it ought not to be done.

Juan: They're starting to do that here.

DeMeo: Yeah, they just started it...well like I say American citizens we sit back on our asses and the majority don't vote anymore. You do that long enough and sooner or later you have to pay a high price for it.

Q: What do you think can be done about it ?
DeMeo: Realistically I think what's going to happen is a lot of people are going to get sick and die and they're going to trace it to the radiation treatment of food, then they'll do something about it...but until a lot of people get sick and die, you know people don't give a shit...you know they just sit back...American's are taking a number of very big long steps down the road towards a fascist system and it's highly regrettable, it's my country and I love the United States but I have a very realistic view of things and it's not just the academics, the whole society is intolerant of new ideas and new approaches and we seem to elect politicians who reinforce the old way of doing things and people are comfortable with that and they're uncomfortable with anything that's new just like the example of I say if you slept with your girlfriend how does the father react. Read Reich's writings on the Mass Psychology of Fascism, this cuts through all the confusions about these issues, you should read that book if you haven't.

Q: Doesn't paint a very pretty picture...
DeMeo: No, it's not a very pretty picture, it's not a very pretty picture at all. With respect to Reich and with respect to my work...the main way that the scientific establishment deals with it is by using the police, if they can't answer an objection or an argument then they send in the cops, burn books, jail scientists, that's the pattern of the way American academic institutions and individual "scholars" are "dealing with" unwelcomed new research findings, by jailing people and this is not just the Reichian people this is anybody with a new idea. Right now every newspaper in America is periodically carrying articles on midwives being thrown in jail, unorthodox doctors being thrown in jail...It's a very sad situation.

Q: Well, hopefully it will change, hopefully people will do something about it.
DeMeo: Ask yourself what am I doing about it, what are your friends in school doing about it, you make a survey and you can ask students what their impression is of book burning and the jailing of scientific or medical pioneers and you'll quickly find that the amount of interest is pretty small...I mean I hope I'm wrong, maybe where you are it's more enlightened... but even here in sunny California you can't get hardly anybody to come to a rally on these kinds of issues but certainly if you were discussing some more political kind of thing, they get much more excited.

Q: Any last comments???
DeMeo: Tell your teachers that they should treat you open-mindedly... and not attempt to dampen your enthusiasm for new ideas.

This was the end of our interview. You the reader are allowed to make your own conclusions. One day perhaps I will join DeMeo on a cloudbusting operation. Meanwhile, if you would like to find out more about Orgone Biophysics you can write or call James DeMeo, Ph.D., at: Orgone Biophysical Research Lab, PO Box 1395, El Cerrito, CA 94530 USA (415) 526-5978

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DeMeo, James, PRELIMINARY ANALYSIS OF CHANGES IN KANSAS WEATHER COINCIDENTAL TO EXPERIMENTAL OPERATIONS WITH A REICH CLOUDBUSTER, M.A. Thesis, University of Kansas, 1979. 268 pp.

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